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Daniel,
We'd have to come to some standard definition of, "But even if 1% of users
would reasonably be using a fully symmetric link to its potential..."
As I said, I have visibility into a large number of symmetric connections
and without exception they'd fit well into a plan that offered upstreams
with that had a fractional speed of the downstream. Now, keep in mind I'm
not talking about 1/10 as a ratio here, but 1/5 would accommodate ~99.2%
and 1/4 would fit ~99.9%. It's also important to note that all of these
accounts are in the >25mbps down territory so their upstreams are >5mbps.
What I see when I look at customer satisfaction ratings is a very strong
correlation with low uplink speeds and a high satisfaction rate when we
look at uplink speeds greater than 4mbps. What I don't see is an increase
in customer satisfaction as upload speeds go past ~6mbps. Conversely,
increases in customer satisfaction with correlate with increases in
download speeds past ~30mbps before the correlation starts weakening.
Scott Helms
Vice President of Technology
ZCorum
(678) 507-5000
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> wrote:
> The statistics certainly *should* be used when provisioning aggregate
> resources.
> But even if 1% of users would reasonably be using a fully symmetric link
> to its potential, that's a good reason to at least have such circuits
> available in the standard consumer mix, which they aren't today.
>
> On 02/27/2015 01:30 PM, Scott Helms wrote:
>
>> Daniel,
>>
>> Well, I wouldn't call using the mean a "myth", after all understanding
>> most customer behavior is what we all have to build our business cases
>> around. If we throw out what customers use today and simply take a build
>> it and they will come approach then I suspect there would fewer of us in
>> this business.
>>
>> Even when we look at anomalous users we don't see symmetrical usage, ie
>> top 10% of uploaders. We also see less contended seconds on their upstream
>> than we do on the downstream. These observations are based on ~500k
>> residential and business subscribers across North America using FTTH
>> (mostly GPON), DOCSIS cable modems, and various flavors of DSL.
>>
>>
>> Scott Helms
>> Vice President of Technology
>> ZCorum
>> (678) 507-5000
>> --------------------------------
>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Daniel Taylor <dtaylor at vocalabs.com
>> <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> wrote:
>>
>> But by this you are buying into the myth of the mean.
>>
>> It isn't that most, or even many, people would take advantage of
>> equal upstream bandwidth, but that the few who would need to take
>> extra measures unrelated to the generation of that content to be
>> able to do so.
>>
>> Given symmetrical provisioning, no extra measures need to be taken
>> when that 10 year old down the street turns out to be a master
>> musician.
>>
>> On 02/27/2015 11:59 AM, Scott Helms wrote:
>>
>> This is true in our measurements today, even when subscribers
>> are given
>> symmetrical connections. It might change at some point in the
>> future,
>> especially when widespread IPv6 lets us get rid of NAT as a de
>> facto
>> deployment reality.
>>
>>
>> Scott Helms
>> Vice President of Technology
>> ZCorum
>> (678) 507-5000 <tel:%28678%29%20507-5000>
>> --------------------------------
>> http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
>> --------------------------------
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Naslund, Steve
>> <SNaslund at medline.com <mailto:SNaslund at medline.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> How about this? Show me 10 users in the average
>> neighborhood creating
>> content at 5 mbps....Period. Only realistic app I see is
>> home surveillance
>> but I don't think you want everyone accessing that
>> anyway. The truth is
>> that the average user does not create content that anyone
>> needs to see.
>> This has not changed throughout the ages, the ratio of
>> authors to readers,
>> artists to art lovers, musicians to music lovers, YouTube
>> cat video creator
>> to cat video lovers, has never been a many to many
>> relationship.
>>
>> On 2015-02-27 12:13, Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu
>> <mailto:Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Consider a group of 10 users, who all create new
>> content. If each one
>> creates at a constant rate of 5 mbits, they need 5
>> up. But to
>> download all the new content from the other 9, they
>> need close to 50
>>
>> down.
>>
>> And when you expand to several billion people creating
>> new content,
>> you need a *huge* pipe down.
>>
>> Steven Naslund
>> Chicago IL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- Daniel Taylor VP Operations Vocal
>> Laboratories, Inc.
>> dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>> http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711 <tel:%28612%29235-5711>
>>
>>
>>
>
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> Daniel Taylor VP Operations Vocal Laboratories, Inc.
> dtaylor at vocalabs.com http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711
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