gmail spam help

[ops.lists at gmail.com (Suresh Ramasubramanian)]

Which distro is it that has dnsbl filtering on by default, and also
defaulting to  shady no name blocklists?

I have yet to see a case where turning this sort of thing on first and
kicking self later wasn't because of a clueless sysadmin.
 On Feb 13, 2015 7:36 AM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com> wrote:

> Of course not, and I didn't mean to imply that they were.
>
> I was surprised to see it still present *anywhere* (this was in a major
> Linux distribution, and may still be), and that hidden presence may be
> polluting data streams used by even the most responsible vendors unless
> they are running entirely self-contained.
>
> On 02/12/2015 07:04 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
>
>>
>> Please. Gmail isn't ever likely to use long dead hobbyist block lists.
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2015 9:38 PM, "Daniel Taylor" <dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:
>> dtaylor at vocalabs.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Possibly related: http://www.ahbl.org/content/changes-ahbl
>>
>>     We had to manually remove it from spamassassin for our local
>>     installation, and I am pretty sure that a lot of sites still
>>     haven't figured it out so there's a lot of false positives being
>>     generated all over the place to throw off even filters that don't
>>     use it directly.
>>
>>     On 02/12/2015 09:54 AM, Alex Rubenstein wrote:
>>
>>         Mainly because I own it, and the people who use it. The server
>>         has been around 10+ years and has tight oversight. SPF is
>>         proper. This is a recent issue.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         From: Scott Helms [mailto:khelms at zcorum.com
>>         <mailto:khelms at zcorum.com>]
>>         Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:51 AM
>>         To: Alex Rubenstein
>>         Cc: Josh Luthman; NANOG list
>>         Subject: Re: gmail spam help
>>
>>         I'd be interested to know how you can be so adamant about the
>>         lack of spam from this specific server.  A great percentage of
>>         the spam hitting servers I have visibility into comes from
>>         very similar kinds of set ups because they tend to have little
>>         or no over sight in place.
>>
>>         Also, lots of commercial email gets flagged as spam by users,
>>         even when they opted in for the email.  If enough people
>>         flagged email from this server as spam it will cause Google to
>>         consider other email from the same small server as likely to
>>         be spam as well.  Small systems, especially new ones, tend to
>>         unintentionally look like spam sources by not having proper
>>         reverse records, making sure you have SPF set up for the
>>         domain, etc.
>>
>>
>>         Scott Helms
>>         Vice President of Technology
>>         ZCorum
>>         (678) 507-5000
>>         --------------------------------
>>         http://twitter.com/kscotthelms
>>         --------------------------------
>>
>>         On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 10:41 AM, Alex Rubenstein
>>         <alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net>>> wrote:
>>         I should have been clearer.
>>
>>         I have been getting complaints from my sales folks that when
>>         they send emails to people who use gmail (either a gmail
>>         account or google apps) that they recipient is reporting that
>>         the email is ending up in the Spam folder. So, I tested this
>>         myself, sending an email from alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net>><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net>>> to rubenstein45 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com><mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com>><mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com><mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com
>>         <mailto:rubenstein45 at gmail.com>>>
>>
>>         [cid:image001.png at 01D046AD.3B2FA890]
>>
>>         This is curious to me, since @corp.nac.net
>>         <http://corp.nac.net><http://corp.nac.net> is a small exchange
>>         implementation with only about 50 users behind it, and there
>>         is no question that there is no spamming going on from here.
>>
>>         So, itâ??s not a question of adding a filter or not using gmail;
>>         it is not me who is using gmail in this problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>         From: Josh Luthman [mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com
>>         <mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com><mailto:josh@
>> imaginenetworksllc.com
>>         <mailto:josh at imaginenetworksllc.com>>]
>>         Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 9:32 AM
>>         To: Alex Rubenstein
>>         Cc: NANOG list
>>         Subject: Re: gmail spam help
>>
>>
>>         Create a filter.
>>
>>         Josh Luthman
>>         Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340>
>>         Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343>
>>         1100 Wayne St
>>         Suite 1337
>>         Troy, OH 45373
>>         On Feb 12, 2015 8:11 AM, "Alex Rubenstein" <alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net>><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net><mailto:alex at corp.nac.net
>>         <mailto:alex at corp.nac.net>>>> wrote:
>>         Is there anyone on-list that can help me with a world -> gmail
>>         email issue, where email is being considering spam by gmail
>>         erroneously?
>>
>>         Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>     --     Daniel Taylor          VP Operations            Vocal
>>     Laboratories, Inc.
>>     dtaylor at vocalabs.com <mailto:dtaylor at vocalabs.com>
>>     http://www.vocalabs.com/ (612)235-5711
>>
>>
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