Drops in Core

[patrick at ianai.net (Patrick W. Gilmore)]

On Aug 15, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Job Snijders <job at instituut.net> wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2015 at 11:01:56PM +0530, Glen Kent wrote:

>> Is there a paper or a presentation that discusses the drops in the core?
>> 
>> If i were to break the total path into three legs -- the first, middle
>> and the last, then are you saying that the probability of packet loss
>> is perhaps 1/3 in each leg (because the packet passes through
>> different IXes).
> 
> It is unlikely packets pass through an IXP more then once.

?Unlikely?? That?s putting it mildly.

Unless someone is selling transit over an IX, I do not see how it can happen. And I would characterize transit over IXes far more pessimistically than ?unlikely?.


[Combining responses]
On Aug 15, 2015, at 1:21 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> 
> I would say that the probability of a packet drop at any particular peering
> point is less than the probability at one of the two edges.
> 
> However, given that most packets are likely to traverse multiple peering
> points between the two edges, the probability of a packet drop along
> the way at one of the several peering points overall is roughly equal
> to the probability of a drop at one of the two edges.

I?m a little confused why most packets are ?likely to traverse multiple peering points??

Most packets these days are sourced from one of three companies. (Which Owen should know well. :) At least one of those companies published stats saying the vast majority of packets are ?zero or one? AS hop from the destination. I cannot imagine Google or Netflix being 50% behind Akamai on that stat. Which clearly implies most packets traverse ?zero or one? AS hop - i.e. one or zero peering points.

Finally, I would love to see data backing up the statement that packets are more likely to drop at one edge (assuming the destination?) than at a peering point.

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TTFN,
patrick